What really happened three days after
Jesus was declared dead on the cross?

 

The evidence strongly suggests
he recuperated in a cave for three days,
tended by Essene monks, who massaged him
with an Aloe and herb mixture, covered him with
what is now known as the 'Shroud of Turin',
and nursed him though
his Soma trance.

Then,
after three days, he appeared to his
disciples. He soon traveled to Mayuam-i-isa, a few
miles outside Damascus. The town, which still exists,
literally translates as "The Place Where Jesus Lived". 

The bible confirms it was near here that
he surprised the heck out of Paul
a year or so later. 

The conversion of Paul was a turning point
in Christianity, because left unchecked,
his original plan was to persecute
Christianity out of existence.

Still a problem though, Paul's legacy now
is "Paulism", that pervasive portrayal
of Jesus having died for your sins...

Something you'd think Jesus would have
mentioned, at least once, if that
were actually his intention. 


 "Christianity is the religion founded by Paul;
it replaced Christ's gospel with a gospel about Christ."

- Wilhelm Nestle, Church Historian

"One might say that it became...
The exact opposite of what was intended."

- Manfred Mezger, Protestant Theologian

"All the good in Christianity
can be traced to Jesus,
all the bad to Paul."

- Franz Overbeck, Protestant Theologian

 

 

There is ample evidence that
after recovering from the crucifixion,
Jesus eventually
returned to Kashmir,
where he had previously
grown
"in wisdom and stature"
-Luke 2:52
during the 17 year biblical gap
regarding his whereabouts
from age 13-30.

There's ample evidence he traveled
to Kashmir during these years.

I learned this
in an incredible book
which meticulously details the
archaeological & historical evidence
surrounding the most influential human
who ever walked the earth.

:

http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Lived-India-Before-Crucifixion/dp/1852305509

  The evidence strongly suggests the reason
Jesus "died" so quickly on the cross,
was because he was given Soma,
an herbal concoction that
was known to induce a
trancelike state
for 3 days.


p152

"The Holy Soma drink of India
enabled anyone familiar with the drink
to appear dead for several days, and to
awake afterwards in an elated state
that lasts a few days."
- p153  

The REASON the Catholic Church
has gone to such lengths to try and
"prove" the Shroud of Turin is "fake", is
because they don't want the world to know
the truth the Shroud reveals:

Jesus was alive!


 

Thanks to a great number of writings
from sources who met him throughout
his travels, both before and after
the crucifixion, we can map out
the chronology of his life:

I'm not quite sure why James Cameron
dug up a tomb in Jerusalem, claiming it was
where Jesus was buried next to Mary Magdalene.
The evidence strongly suggests she went west
into France, and Jesus went east,
into Kashmir, where he lies
buried this very day:

 

Ok, I know your mind is blown,
but before you stick your head in
the sand of Blind Faith, read on...

I told the end of the story first.
It all began for me with one
very big Question:

 

Who Fathered Jesus Christ?

A fundamentally important question
which must be resolved
if humanity is to
move forward.

Religious leaders
preach doctrine commanding
their followers to simply
"have faith"
concerning matters
which seem unrealistic
or contradictory.

Why?

Because to look at the
life of Jesus Christ
objectively
is truly
revolutionary.

Examine this theory,
find flaws with it,
contribute to the debate,
but don't use "faith"
as an excuse to hide
from truth.

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Who impregnated Mary?

Where did he come from?
What were his motives?
What was his connection to the three wise men
who trotted in from the east
to proclaim the baby
in the manger
"The Christ Child"
?

(Both "Messiah" and "Christ" literally
translate to "the anointed one")

 

"Virgin"
is one possible translation
for the Aramaic word
which refers to Mary
in the original texts.

The original word
better translates to:
"young woman"!

It is possible the "virgin birth" myth
was concocted hundreds of years
after her death, to further deify Jesus,
something which was decided for the first time
in 325
AD, per Constantine's instructions,
at the council of Nicaea.

During
their first
few centuries,
Christians were busy
spreading Jesus' teachings.

Embellishments
to the story
were added later.

Everything we know
about the laws of
the universe
suggest
someone's sperm
fertilized Mary's egg.

God works
in mysterious ways
but
always follows
the laws of nature!

The laws of nature tell us
someone's sperm
fertilized Mary's egg.

He may have
told
her he was
"an angel of the lord"
but he was certainly human.

So who was he?

Well,
we know that 2000 years ago,
in the part of the world
we now call the middle east,
a tribe of people known as
Hebrews
were all abuzz
eagerly expecting a
"messiah"
.

There had been 14 generations
from Abraham to David
and 14 generations
from David to "the captivity in Babylon"
and so...

14 generations after the captivity in Babylon
superstitious Jews were readily expecting
a messiah, and lo and behold
one appeared!!

This set the course of human history

but...

Did you ever wonder where
Jesus spent the 17 years of his life
which are omitted from the bible??

There is convincing evidence he studied
at a monastery in Leh, Kashmir,
and traveled through India.

This is documented in:
"The Lost Years of Jesus Christ"
a fascinating historical account

 of several travelers' journeys
to the village of Leh,
in Kashmir,
where they found
a monastery high in the mountains
which has ancient scrolls,
historical accounts
of "Saint Issa"
who studied there during the years
that Jesus is absent from biblical accounts. 

It is also well known in the east
that "Saint Issa" traveled through India,
where he had to flee for his life
after upsetting church elders
by
sharing holy writings
with the common people
(which certianly sounds like something Jesus would do).

 The evidence,
combined with logical common sense,
and the lack of a plausible counter-story
from the bible itself,
paint a convincing picture:

Jesus Christ
was conceived
by man!
 

It is tradition in Asia
to "anoint" a spiritual leader

When the Dalai Lama dies
church elders go out into the countryside
to find a child bright enough
centered enough
and they pick
him
and he grows up as the Dalai Lama
and everyone looks to him for guidance,
but if he had been sick on the day
the elders came to his town
they would have picked
somebody else.

So...

Who were the Essene monks who lived at Qumran?

What was their relationship to
The Nazarenes?

 It is interesting to note that in the
original Greek manuscripts, Jesus
is referred to as
"Jesus the Nazarene".
 

The Nazarenes were not from Nazareth.
 

They were a sect of monks, less ascetic
than the Essenes, who's manner of dress
matches Jesus' exactly. 
Jesus the Nazarene.

 

Jews were expecting
their biblically prophesized messiah
and the monks from Qumran
gave them one.

The Essenes and Nazarenes
were well aware of
the world around them
and were watching the progress
of the peculiar band of peasants
struggling to maintain their
religious autonomy
in their corner
of the Roman Empire.

There was
probably
a debate
among the monastery's elders
whether or not to interfere with 
the spiritual development of
an entire people
(what gene Roddenberry would later call "the prime directive").

Imagine the egos at work
in an adventure of this magnitude

Imagine
the debate

amongst the monks

over who would father the child.

 

Oh, but Jesus performed miracles
what about his miracles?

well...

The miracles are interesting
because they can be explained
by rational logic
or recognized as
obvious exaggerations.

Remember,
Jesus spoke in metaphor
the bible speaks in metaphor...

Did Jesus physically turn water into wine?
Did he
defy physics
and change the
molecular structure
of the liquid?

or

Did he offer people an alternative
to incessant inebriation,
a means to achieving
personal enlightenment,
a way of
"getting high"
without the aid of intoxicants,
improving one's spirit while drinking water
instead of wine?

 

When he said
a piece of bread was his body
did he mean it was actually
his flesh?

No!
He spoke in metaphor!

Did he
walk on water
or did he "appear as if walking on water"
while standing on a moving boat
in the morning fog?

And think about this:

It's a common belief that
Jesus "predicted" one of
his disciples would betray him.

What if he was giving an order?

Crucifixion was the plan!
Judas was following Jesus' plan!

Jesus knew his actions
would culminate in crucifixion
and when he was ready
he had Judas
set things in motion!
 

What about the
miracle of all miracles:
resurrection!?!

 

It's a practice
of advanced yogis
to develop such complete control
over their breathing
as to actually feign death
slowing down their heart rate
to as low as one beat per minute.

There have been documented cases
in modern times, and in the past
where a body
pronounced dead
was actually still alive.

If this can happen in a modern hospital,
isn't it possible it also happened
two thousand years ago?

Especially if the person in question
was given Soma on a sponge,
which mimics the effect of death?!?
 

What if the Koran is right, and the
body taken down off the cross
wasn't really dead?
 

After recuperating
in a cave for three days
Jesus appeared to his disciples
"resurrected"!

One last miracle
before heading back to Kashmir
where it is documented that he
lived for many more years.

`

 

The bible has been translated and edited
many times over thousands of years,
powerful words manipulated
by powerful people
with
powerful agendas.

Millions of people have
been killed in Jesus' name
over the past 20 centuries.

Power corrupts.

There's a lot of power in the word

Jesus

which is why
politicians
and preachers
invoke it so often.

The truth about Jesus Christ?

He was a great teacher,
a great preacher, 
a prophet
who spoke out
against excessive profit.

A life created
in a noble attempt
to spread enlightenment.

The civilizations of the world
would have developed
quite differently
if the monks
had minded
their own business.

The 15th generation of Jews after Babylon,
not having received
the messiah as predicted,
would have likely developed
a radically different concept
of religion.  Paul would've found
another outlet for his over-zealousness.

Leaders would have developed naturally
amongst descendants of Abraham
and amongst gentiles,
and we would have
a very different world.

These are radical ideas
which should be discussed
and considered.

`

discuss @ Hubub

 

all opinions are welcome
please respect other people's right
to disagree with you

 


mindswell.org


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Name:
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16 Aug 2000
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yOU WROTE SOME iNTERESTING FICTION- BASED ENTIRELY ON SPECULATION. tHE MIND IS THE DESTROYER OF THE REAL.

JESUS WAS A HIGHLY EVOLVED (ADVANCED INITIATE) WHO WAS OVERSHADOWED BY THE CHRIST. http://www.netnews.org/bk/initiation/toc.html MARY WAS IMPREGNATED BY JOSEPH

HE LITERALLY WALKED ON WATER, AS CAN ANY REAL ADEPT. WALKING ON WATER IS ALSO SYMBOLIC FOR GETTING ABOVE THE ASTRAL PLANE (THE PLANE OF ILLUSIONS) AND FUNCTIONING ON THE MENTAL PLANE. tHAT TOO, ANY ADEPT CAN (AND DOES) DO.

tAKE CARE.


Name:
jesus h. christ 
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31 Aug 2000
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mindswell's theory sounds pretty darn plausible!! 

but that was then and this is now!!!  who has time for ancient history as the human race rots towards inevitable destruction?!?!?  what we need is a real messiah... like a kidney stone passing through the bowls of the capitalist beast.... he will bring the REVOLUTION!!!! 

the revolution is truth and the revolution is peace... and it WILL NOT BE TELEVISED!  or will it?!?! watch foxnews and count the lies, see the truth behind the disguise... the fires are already burning, and the ice caps are melting....  endgame is near...  collective punishment for our collective fear...  

was the bible somehow clairvoyant and magical, or did the wise men of biblical times simply have the foresight to see that the human race would evolve to dominate the planet to the point of destruction?!?!  

stop the war machine, hitler is dead, let's finally let war die too!!! beat the swords into plowshares and transform the military industrial complex into the MARS COLONIZATION COMPLEX!!  

bring the nations of the world together, united in collaboration towards the common goal of preparing mars for life.  there is groundwater there, and much evidence suggests that it was once a lush green planet, with trees and rivers and LIFE.... and then something went wrong, and it now stands a desert.... let's terraform the damn thing!  

and before terminator seeds seal the same dusty fate for this planet!!  

we cannot let MONSANTO's blatant attempt to control all of the world's food seed be the final act of greed that brings about the end of life on earth, leaving it a lifeless, barren planet...  by releasing their "terminator" seeds into the wild, seeds which are genetically engineered to kill their young!!!    this is not science fiction, they hold the patent, jointly with the us dept. of agriculture, and they are planning to incorporate the seed-killing technology into all of their seeds, and they are planning to begin phasing this in as soon as 2005!!!!   evidence strongly shows that genetically engineered seeds cross-pollinate with other seeds in the wild.  THIS TECHNOLOGY CAN LITERALLY WIPE LIFE FROM THE PLANET!!! 

and that is where we are heading.  monsanto scientists actually said that it's ok that genetically engineered corn kills monarch butterflies, "but is not a threat to humans", because they are too short-sighted and profit-driven to even comprehend the bigger picture of a shared ecosystem... an ecosystem that is now beginning to react violently to the virus of the human race.  

we need to stop looking for oil
and start vigorously building solar and wind and hydrogen power plants
NOW!!!   

they killed kennedys, and they killed king, and probably hendrix and marley and even john lennon...  stalin had to kill 20 million to stay in power, don't think the american government doesn't make trouble go away the old fashioned way... 

1984 is now...open your eyes!!  the anti-christ is LAZINESS!!!! 

it is time to make the devils accountable for their actions. 
THE  NEW WORLD ORDER WILL NOT STAND!  
open your eyes to the truth behind the hijacking of OUR democracy! 
take back the planet from the oil men and the war machine!  
take back your world from the evil that's in control!  

the devil is laziness, the revolution happens when you open your mind.   

peace...

jc

 


Name:
jfka
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jfka@godisdead.com
Date:
18 Sep 2000
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23:25:23
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In god we'd rust.


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burnside4@aol.com
Date:
30 Sep 2000
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Until you actually experience the supernatural power of the Holy Spirit ... and grow in that wisdom ... your explanation will satisfy ... but how do you explan the empty feelings that you try to replace with "things." be it drugs ... sex ... power ... these things keep us from knowing true freedom ... they keep us in bondage. true freedom can only be experienced thru faith. therefore, faith must be a part of our lives ... faith in Jesus Christ and what He stood for. until you find that freedom you will always be searching ... searching for something to satisfy. see, we were made to have a relationship with God the Father... that was made possible thru Jesus Christ.


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09 Oct 2000
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okay


Name:
Rain
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Date:
22 Nov 2000
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We will not know till we get to heaven, but until then I choose to believe in God The Father, His Son and The Holy Spirit. In reference to your thought about the Bible being edited, I have a friend who learned Hebrew for the sole purpose of reading the the Bible in it's entirety. He has a website also. Take a look at it, see what you think. http://www.bible-history.com


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dr.genesis@exitflagger.com
Date:
30 Nov 2000
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Write a screenplay, holmes! Hollywood needs good stories, right? Controversy sells, right? And there's all sorts of approaches you could use...so as not to be too blasphemous. Why not!?


Name:
Leland
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Date:
06 Jan 2001
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After reading and agreeing with much of the rest of this site, I was rather dissapointed at seeing this page. It pretends to be an enlightened perspective on a great religious leader, but is nothing but mere conjecture and guesses that try to explain away (or simply dismiss, in the case of Jesus's miracles) that which is written in the Bible. It is fine not to believe in any of this stuff, but don't try to discredit it by giving obscure accounts and bizarre theories that have no evidence to back them up. All that is accomplished in doing so is discrediting what is, for the most part, a well-constructed and worthwhile website.


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Date:
09 Jan 2001
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actually, there IS evidence to back up the jesus theory... read the book "the lost years of jesus christ"... a historical account of three different travelers' journey to leh, in kashmir... and the remarkable evidence they found that showed that jesus traveled there during the years that he is absent from biblical accounts...

read and learn, it's better than reveling in ignorance....


Name:
Tom
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Date:
15 Feb 2001
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Wow! This page really is different than the rest of your site. I find hope knowing that people like you, who actually believe in this crap, will be in a shit load of bull shit (such as what is written above) once you die. There is always counter history that is pondered upon by some of the greatest historians to have lived, but this load of bull shit ranks right up there betweed stupid and "what a load of shit".


Name:
Jon
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15 May 2003
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Although I agree that most of what the bible calls miricles can be explained rationally I do not believe at all Mary was impregnated by a cunning monk who wanted to create a messiah. That idea's crap! In all likelyhood, what really happened was that Mary who was about 13 was impregnated by a man who was not her husband. In those days the punishment for this was to be stoned to death. Joseph took pitty on Mary and saved her, and the rest is history. The wise men probably did follow a star because of some theory or other of astronomy that said there was to be a king born. rare rare rare. It's all pretty tame.


Name:
lyla
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15 May 2003
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while there are a lot of unexplained events in the bible such as the ones you pointed out, the most important thing in that book is the one that cannot be argued, but only recognized by an individual; Jesus is the Son of God, became a man and died for man's sins, and He is the only way to Salvation. not everything revolves around science! there are a million inexplicable things in this life and you're not going to figure them all out in this lifetime. it's good to try because it challenges the mind, but there comes a point where one must choose between faith, that age-old crutch, and ignorance.


Name:
adrew
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Date:
15 May 2003
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I think Jesus even said "We are all sons of God" , how easy is it to figure out what he was telling us. When Jesus said "No one comes to the father except through me", was a metaphor meaning that to follow his example of kindness and love without judgement. How did things get so twisted to the opposite end to mean "Worship Jesus or you are a sinner and deserve eternal hellfire and suffering." Also worship an idol "The cross with Jesus?", isn't this the same thing as an ox of gold except it's a cross? It's an old game the Govt. still uses today that still works. "Scare people with punishment if they don't follow some bullshit law, or back then tell the sinner they will suffer in hell" It's all about mind control to keep people in order. Then again I might be wrong, cause ,ahem, don't want to go to hell or anything . I was never here ,nevermind, just kidding, forgive me, .....


Name:
cherry ramone
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15 May 2003
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did nursey forget to give you your medicine this morning?


Name:
Wally
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16 May 2003
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Interesting. Not fascinating but definitely interesting. To say that God would only work according to laws we know about is fundamentally flawed. Why? How should I know. It just is. The virgin birth was definitely not a miracle to the people of his times! Miracles are only good for the ones that see them. If anyone wants me to understand anything through the description of raising dead flesh, which is disgusting, had better have some photographs to back it up. That an angel came and placed a human seed inside a human woman is for the faiths of them who believes in angels. I do but that doesn't cut wood. Who was the father of Jesus? I assume that God is the father. But who am I to disrupt a conversation with trivialities. It's a gas of an idea! I believe that the universe is without beginning and has no end. If that is true then everything is happening somewhere all at the same time.. Thank you. Wally


Name:
jay
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Date:
16 May 2003
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03:32:34
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Your theory seems kinda far fetched. The bible mentions people from as far as ethiopia but nothing bout Kashmir. Surely they would mention something about Kashmir? Don't think Jews, like the disciples, of that time would have believed people from that region anyhow. And how would these monks set a thing like that in motion? They can teach a boy or people about a religion's nuances they don't know anything about? Are we supposed to assume that Jews or their clergy would just fall for a plan like this? Your article based on obscure ideas seems to fall somewhere between absolute drivel and horseshit the more I think about it. There just seems to be so many holes. Maybe you should question that one book about the " lost years of Jesus" and start reading up on all the books the support the life of Jesus? And what is the about faith being an exscuse? When you build a timemachine to go check out what really went down, lemme know. For now can only take the words and account of a shit load of people and other sources.You either believe it or not. It's that simple. What else you gonna do? I mean fuck man don't just post something to antagonise, ridicule and/or sensationalise. What the fuck is up with that? You had better come up with something better than this before you start stepping on people's believes. know what I mean? People didn't fall for your theory. See? Case in point. Wouldn't any sane man be even more harsher to a man claiming to be the son of God, to a woman being impregnated by God? They would have been " some pretty fancy tricks" to have fooled alot of people like that. All those backstage kashmirians must have been running around like crazy trying to pull of their plan and yet caused no stir? Jesus of Kashmir? C'mon man. Jesus of Naszareth.


Name:
blm
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16 May 2003
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I am opposed to organized religion as a whole but still read the major texts from each. The Bible, in my opinion, is a great story full of morals, lessons, and different ways of life. I am open to any theory, now matter how far fetched, and respect all opinions towards the theory. I encourage you to keep searching and asking the right questions to better develop you're theory. I'm sure all this could be possible unless you BELIEVE wholeheartedly in the Bible. I have many theories like yourself but remain openminded to all others. Spiral out.


Name:
audrey
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04 Nov 2003
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with the wounds inflicted upoun jesus during crucifiction faining dead is highly unlikely, and would require more then three days of healing to rise in full glory


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04 Nov 2003
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I believe what is inside us is "God"...there is no mystical man sitting in heaven judging whether what we do is right of wrong. The Universe ("God) is all interconnected, all energy is "God". I don't believe in the Virgin birth... I believe that every child conceived is the child of "God", and I feel that that was what Jesus was trying to tell the masses that the coming together of life forces that produces the miracle of another human being was the power of that energy ("God"). What that human does with his or her life does not determine whether they go to heaven or hell. When we die, (or anything else dies) we all again join that energy that is "God", only to recyle back to another "living" energy force at some other time. To me, Christ was a very insightful, intellegent, brave human person who had the "guts" to go against the flow of what was the misgotten beliefs of the times.


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Banana
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04 Nov 2003
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Sorry about that, I forgot to put a name on my last post....guess I'm only human.


Name:
Jeff
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10 Feb 2004
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Christianity is as much about God as it is about how YOU live. The world we live in is torn between what is right and wrong and everyone will be required to give an account of both his/her life at the end. If this is not what you believe, then I am sorry for you. The flood which happened many millennium ago and has been proven in many religions to have taken place (Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim and modern science) had many people then who thought and believed that God would never destroy the Earth. Bad call I would say? As to if Joseph impregnated Mary or if it was actually God? I ask you to consider what that information would matter? No matter what religion you believe in; the fact that Jesus Christ was a good man and one who at least should be respected is obvious and He has been spoken of by nearly all of the worlds’ religions. This person who claimed to be the Son of God only showed love to everyone He saw and touched and He was killed for that. Many today are afraid of those people who are not like them in some form. There are people with Cancer, Aids, and stricken with Poverty or neglect. Jesus NEVER turned anyone away who was in need. Consider the Leper He healed. In the days of the Romans, Leprosy was as Aids or Cancer is today. It was also a disease that was shunned by most as something of a curse, but Jesus ran to someone who was afflicted by this? The message of Christianity today as always, is to love your fellow man and to be there when none seem to care, because that is what will please God. As to whether Jesus is God or not is not an issue with me, because I know that He is and has been there in more times then I can count to heal and give a touch of life to me.


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dan
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27 Feb 2004
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jesus was born unto mary by God. not by a human father. His birth was fortold hundreds of years before in the old testiment down to the city in which he was to be born. Christ Did die on the cross verified by the roman soldier who pierced his side into his heart . I'm sorry but there is no yoga being preformed here. Take a look at the means of pre-crucifiction when the soldiers whiped him with whips laced with sharp metel, bone, rocks. when beat with this, flesh is removed exposing raw tissue,bone and organs. being beat 39 times with this instrument is near death in itself many have died before even being crucified. The miracles preformed by christ were not done in secret, blind were given sight when known by others that confirmed that they were from birth. lepers who were restored to normal just by a touch. So here is MY Question to You, Would you give your life up for a lie. or would You research the matter on your own. Test it , that if what this man said was true then live by what is the TRUTH . Yes there are many versions of the bible The king james is the first English version in print. that contains all the books of the bible the translation is as close to the original language as your going to get . Its like translating german to english, the sentence stucture is not like our english, but you still dont loose any of the meaning. There is many facts that back up the life and death of jesus The question is do you want to search for them or are you going to live your life believing a lie


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atom
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27 Feb 2004
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i typed "jesus h christ on a cross on a crutch" into google. your page came up first. it blew my mind, and i laughed my ass off. right on, man.


Name:
Edilberto F. Andade
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UTS dasma Cavite
Date:
04 Mar 2004
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We are all have the right to say whats is right but remember that in every time you introduced your ideas think those whose affected over there!!!!


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Audrey
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soulwhisper@earthlink.net
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05 Mar 2004
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I'm the sister of Jeff and the fiancee of Seth, and I understand both their points, even though Seth is crazy (kidding) and Jeff a bit biased. Jeff is right Jesus was a man of love, but only a man. Christianity does not promote true love, but true hate (read the Bible!!). We were brought up in a strong christian family and there in lies Jeff's bias. He is a wonderful person full of love, and in his beliefs of a christian is a model of one. Seth is an incredibly articulate and well read man, who diligently seeks truth and understanding. Growing up in the christian realm I have seen the beliefs and the words of the bible implemented. It is, as Thomas Jefferson said: "Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man." The Bible is a collection of fairy tales, and it's supposed truths can be denounced as they have been found to be inaccurate and deceitful. The bible also has been manipulated for generations, not to mention the authors of it were not who they claimed to be, and people who did not walk with Jesus, but were far removed from him. There are many books to read that can point out these truths, in great number. Jesus was true, but not God, but a man who preached of Gods/Goddesses love. Jesus was a beautiful and wonderful man who was simply saying he was God's son, as we all are God's sons and daughters. Christianity is a system that has perverted love, sex, and peace. We need to just follow the history of wars and those who have lead the charge for such (as in Bush a "good christian man"), to see the philosophy of the bible in effect. Statistically most child molesters are christians as is my brother Joe who molested a child in our family, still attends church and is a christian pillar. Without any apology to the child he molested. There lies a valuable clue as to the warped teachings of the bible and how they effect and twist the minds of people. Sex is construed as an evil thing, and that if a man feels he should have to do it (although encouraged not to in the bible), he should then take up a bride. This confuses and makes men feel as if they are bad, sending them on a path of mental destruction. Sex is a natural and beautiful act. We were designed for such, the reactions of our bodies and the chemicals that exist in us causing those reactions are proof that it is not an evil but natural thing. We are taught in christianity that we are all born sinners, so then is God the sinner for creating sin (us). Is he not the devil then? The creator of evil, of sin. If we are the creations of God and yet born with sin, then he is the creator of sin, the origin of sin. Christianity is a religion that tears down self worth and value, to build a need a dependency for someone to make us feel worthy and valuable (God). Without his love and forgiveness we are sinners, invaluable and bound for hell where we are tortured for our unworthiness (refusal of dependency upon something else for our worth). If we refuse to believe in God and that Jesus is the divine son of God we are going to hell!! That is the scare tactic diligently drilled into the heads of little children, who then grow up brainwashed or too afraid to believe in anything else. Christianity is a cult, as are other religions. It is a form of power and control, as observed in war, in the past with the reasoning for inequality between men and women, blacks and whites, and today in the rights of gays to be married. Christian ethics are the reason gay couples may not marry, and seperation of church and state is not being observed as politicians make their decisions based upon their christian faith.


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Azriel
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09 May 2004
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You sure stirred up a few things here.lol While all these people are commenting on your ideas they might as well look up a few things. Maybe it would help a bit if they for example knew that the bible as we know it was "produced" in 325 A.D. under Constantine. Of the close to a hundred "gospels" only 4 were picked. The ones that suited Constantine ( who worshipped the sungod and was baptized on his deathbed when he was too weak to argue). Doesn't anybody ever think why we have "Sun"day as the day of our lord instead of the sabbath (saturday), This also originated from Constantine and his "Bishops". By vote was "Christ" given the title Son of God. Not all we read is fact. Read the Gospels from the Nag Hammadi ant the Dead sea scrolls. In all these writings followers of the "Christ" depict him as HUMAN and not in any way Godly. Christ was in my opinion a prophet of great importance equalled only by Moses. As for the Man ending up in Kashmir, God knows.


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Azriel
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Azriel30@hotmail.com
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09 May 2004
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04:22:12
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One more small thing. I agree with audrey about God not being a GOD OF LOVE, want proof? Read Deutronomy 20:12-16, Numbers 31:7-18, Psalm 137:9, I could go on. For those who don't actually own a Bible in the above God orders to kill, rape and plunder. "Smash the heads of infants against the rocks". SADLY WE ARE MADE IN HIS IMAGE.


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kike
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05 Jul 2004
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12:26:45
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wrong


Name:
Audrey
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Seths dearly beloved ex fiance
Date:
24 Jul 2004
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11:32:36
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No, was all the response last given. Do you have anything besides ignorant blind faith to voice an opinion with. Sorry not trying to be mean, but those who believe in God and Jesus, should know why. Blind faith is for the ignorant, and those afraid to test the waters and seek out truth.


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28 Aug 2004
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14:34:55
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To defend my beliefs that JESUS CHRIST is the messiah is to cause an argument. my opinion is that everyone is ok with the idea that a man named JESUS came to earth and loved all people, but the controversy starts when HE raised Himself from the dead and IS the KING of all people, the problem is no one wants to say there is a GOD over me who already knows everything about me, but the other problem is man as a whole does not want to see what JESUS IS, and you can't see because it is hard to visualize through a mans eyes that HE DIED for everyone and HE is who the Bible says HE is. But you have to look no one on this earth now is perfect but JESUS IS and WAS and WILL ALWAYS BE.QUESTION: HOW CAN A NONPERFECT THING VISUALIZE WHAT A PERFECT THING IS? ANSWER IT CAN'T BECAUSE ITS NEVER SEEN IT BUT IT DOESNT MEAN THAT IT DOESNT EXIST. the fact is HE is coming SOON so i will be praying for everyone who visits this site that you do realize the truth that i already know. JESUS DOES LOVE YOU AND DIED FOR YOU!


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Shay
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28 Aug 2004
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15:17:06
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I have read this entire page, and anyone on this page who does not believe that Jesus died on the cross for your sins needs to realise the truth before it is too late. The Lord is coming soon and I hope that you get right with the Lord, and ask HIM to come into your heart and save you. I will be praying for each and everyone of you, and no matter what you say, GOD does love you and he will forgive you. All you have to do is ask.


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Tyrone Kitt
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dollarbill121978@hotmail.com
Date:
02 Sep 2004
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I agree with what you are saying because technically it makes since, but believing what you say goes against the belief in God. No one can explain the unexplained, can they? I look at Jesus as a tool for righteousness in myself and if what your are saying is in fact true it doesnt matter because I still have my belief in the heavenly Father that wrapped Himself in flesh hince you get Jesus Christ, the father in the flesh. Is it possible that He wrapped Himself in sperm?


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Tyrone Kitt
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dollarbill121978@hotmail.com
Date:
02 Sep 2004
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14:27:42
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I agree with what you are saying because technically it makes since, but believing what you say goes against the belief in God. No one can explain the unexplained, can they? I look at Jesus as a tool for righteousness in myself and if what your are saying is in fact true it doesnt matter because I still have my belief in the heavenly Father that wrapped Himself in flesh hince you get Jesus Christ, the father in the flesh. Is it possible that He wrapped Himself in sperm?


Name:
bumcakes
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Date:
15 Sep 2004
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14:23:11
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"We are all have the right to say whats is right but remember that in every time you introduced your ideas think those whose affected over there!!!!" Run out and get an AIDS test. If you don't know you're infected, you could possibly infect hundreds of others if your sexual behavior is "risky." Oh wait, we're talking about the exchange of ideas, not seminal and vaginal fluids. It's the same, isn't it? We are hosts for the new form of life, consciousness. Just as planet Earth has no say (other than an ice age now and then) in how homo sapiens violates her, we have never had a say in how this plague known as "thought" uses us and abuses us. One of the most devious "beliefs" that consciousness has cultured in the agar we call brains is the idea that somehow, we are special. Get over it. You are a petri dish.


Name:
Jlazar
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sentimental4u@msn.com
Date:
06 Nov 2004
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14:58:03
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As I read the comments below, I found well stated arguments on both sides of the issue.There is something that has become clear to me which is that people believe what they want to believe and that includes myself. There is no such thing as pure objectivism in this word. It is a good thing to strive to be objective as long as we realize our thoughts and beliefs are influenced by our emotions. Before we can make a decision as to the nature of Jesus Christ, I think we must first decide if we believe in creation or evolution. How did life come into existence? Although I am a creationist, I will be the first to admit that my beliefs are a combination of both intelect and emotion. And though I am not a scientist, I have come to the conclusion for myself that evolution is mathamatically and biologically impossible. Creativity is theme that ties the unverse together and not chance. Love is something I know exists because I have experienced it not because a book told me it exists. Truth is found in our hearts not in history books or theories though these are good also.


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womh?
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bamchicksktr14@yahoo.com
Date:
16 Jan 2005
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Faith is a NEED in life....we have faith that we'll make it through life, while some of us don't, and those that don't are most likley unhappy. And those that have faith have something to believe in and think about. So whatever way someone finds faith, i say more power to ya, and if jesus christ is that faith then keep believing. And maybe for people in jesus' time....he was faith even if he was all an illusion. Also Jesus fills the gaps in some peoples lives, while others use drugs....sex....or anything else. *later


Name:
The Accuser
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Gib (UK)
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23 Mar 2005
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07:51:31
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Well, after reading countless books on the subject of Jesus all I can do is to compare the Bible (as with any myth and/or historical fact) to a massive game of 'Chinese Whisper' or for my friends in the states 'Telephone'. After so many re-editions and translations of the Bible how many times has it been changed to suit the good of the faith? As to faith...it has and always will be Blind Faith. Even if tomorrow we are presented with irrefutable documents that proves that Jesus was just a simple man with a political agenda of recuparating his right to a throne, nobody NOBODY thats a fervous christian will surrender to the facts. It happened in south Spain, where in a desolated field masses would congregate to praise the apparition of 3 orbs claiming to be Jesus, Mary and The Holy spirit. After it was uncovered as a hoax by a local TV company, 4 ladies, believers of the apparitions were taken to a TV program and were shown video footage of the con artists making their escape (with orbs in tow). They refused utterly to believe in what they had just been shown and also cursed the cameramen for scaring the Virgin Mary away. Simpletons?? No...Blind Faith. I will carry on believing Jesus as a man who followed a profesy and made everything is his power to make it happen. :)) Cheers


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Rebecca
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25 Mar 2005
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16:17:03
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the plan was brilliant: send john the baptist in first loudly proclaiming the time of the messiah was at hand and then pick out mary watching her waiting and when the time came "HE" came at her from behind pulled her into a deserted alley told her he was "the angel of the lord" and the rest is history Slight problem with this - John the Baptist was born about a year before Jesus..... Read Luke 1:39 what if the body taken down off the cross wasn't really dead and after recuperating in a cave for three days jesus appeared to his disciples "resurrected" Jesus was severley beaten before he was crucified, and before they took him down off the cross they stuck a spear in his side and blood and water gushed out...they did that to make sure he was dead. (Read John 19:34) May I suggest you watch The Passion of The Christ? www.Biblegateway.com


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28 Mar 2005
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jeff
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wtail16ptr@aol.com
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28 Mar 2005
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Iknow everyone is entitled to their own opinion,and here is mine,i belive GOD does exist ther are many events in my life to prove it, i believe in JESUS, and i believe he was sent by GOD to this earth to die for all our sins, i belive this by faith and faith is going to get me to heaven,i believe this because the other option is far more scary to me than not believing, i feel when i die i have a chance to live in paradise forever,or i can live in an indescribable HELL forever, and you know really if neither is true,but i belive both are true,iwould rather take my chances and live in paradise than burn in HELL, SO YOU PEOPLE DECIDE FOR YOURSELVES! as i did, JESUS was and is real.


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17 May 2005
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I believe in God and the Holy Trinity and as wierd and amazing as the miracles Jesus did here on Earth seem He did it for the believers.


Name:
Chuck Molin
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chuck@cjgintl.com
Date:
25 Sep 2005
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21:48:14
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Very fascinating to read all the comments, the opinions that such a radical thought exercise has elicited. Some responses were very well thought out, others more based on Faith and/or existing Belief systems, but ALL seemed to reflect the individual responder's fervently-held "Stand" (for lack of a better word). I was most impressed with Audrey ("soul whisper@earthlink.net") and her well thought-through recitation of how, historically-speaking, so much pain has been elicited, how many deaths suffered over the millenia under the banner of Christianity. The same, perhaps, could have been said about "Mohamedism", or the Faith practiced by various sects that the Muslims espouse. Suffice it to say that, in THIS Man's sense of things, ALL Faith, ALL Religion, ALL Belief Systems are, of necessity (and, perhaps, by definition) completely subjectively based and, I would daresay, on very little more than "Wishful Thinking" ... Mind you, Good Readers, I DON'T hold it that this is, necessarily, a "Bad Thing" --only that it IS a "thing" (Faith/Religion/Belief Systems) created solely by Humankind (the "Plural") for their own solace, desire for "Continuation" (or, Life-after-Death)and, certainly, psychological, emotional, or spiritual comfort. Perhaps, as Homo Sapien Sapien came into his own through the eons, developing (if he did)according to the "evolutionary" theories (as modified) of Mr. Darwin, he and his ilk could not but help question his place in the Universe, vis-a-vis, the Power of Natural Forces that surrounded him. Here, I refer to the effects upon early man (if that's, in fact, what he was) of Lightning setting the savannahs aflame, of the consistency (or inconsistency) of the passing of seasons, of Life (and, perhaps, of Aging upon)his own body and, or course, of Death ... How difficult would it be to imagine that said creatures would NOT, in some way, shape, or form, seek the the Guidance of "Gods" and, perhaps, their earthly "intercessors" with the Tribe who, by virtue of a certain insightfulness (or, perhaps, their ability to "fall into trances"), appeared to have a direct connection to those formidable, unseen Powers? Could not, thereby, have been born the cult of Priests, of a rudimentary type of "organized" religion? All this, say I, is certainly NOT "The Truth" but, quite likely, a plausibility. As all that was Pre-History, details about which our best PaleoAnthropologist can only speculate on (and for which some, but very little actual, evidence is slowly being found), it would strike THIS "Thinking Mind" as, at least as viable an explanation of how modern Sapiens formed more sophisticated (and organized, and adament) Belief Systems, as any other explanations based solely on "Creation Tales". NOT "standing" in Fear (of Death, of Hell, of the Opinion of Others) but, rather, in a place of "that which is possible" removes from me any doubt in my own strength to form an equally powerful position as any one else might so form. The major difference, I hold it, would show up in my NOT having to deride nor condemn, nor belittle, nor accept that which does NOT "work" for me. That said, here's what I surmise: 1) Births (prenancies) CAN be non-sexually based (e.g., amoebas, certain snails under certain circumstances, etc.) or, in more-highly developed organisms (generally speaking), sexually based. Mary of Nazareth was a fecund young woman, married (according to certain bibiolographies) to Joseph the Carpenter. As such, either she did or did not have sexual/marital relations with her Husband. Given the state of Birth Control at that time and/or the desire of such men as Joseph to have as many Sons as possible (or, Daughters to be married off), Mary was likely impregnated by her Husband, assuming she was NOT raped or volunatarily had conjugal relations with others instead of only with Joseph. Notwithstanding any Biblical texts, such a result would appear Natural, Normal, and (certainly) to be expected in those times (everything else being equal), given that the penalty for infidelity, likely, was death by stoning. Given, further, that the Bible/the Gospels that have come down to us through time (and which, as someone earlier pointed out, were written by men some two or three hundreds years after the time), it would seem to me, at the very least, that Mary was impregnated by an "Angel". That assertion, were it to be taken as feasibly serious, would presuppose the existence of "Angels" to begin with. THAT, of course, in-and-of-itself, opens up the proverbial "Can of Worms" based, again, on ANOTHER unsubstantiable Belief System. At the risk of coming off "Spock-like", Logic dictates that a "dictum" or proof of the validity of a Belief System simply CANNOT be supported by another, currently unsubstantiable Belief System. ("Live Long and Prosper!") [\\//, - left hand] That approach to an otherwise enigmatic "mystery" disallows that "mystery" from having any validity whatsoever except, of course, within an arbitrarily-adhered-to Belief System. Epistomologically-speaking, however, the assertion of a "Virgin" Birth of Jesus can go no further, substantiable evidence to the contrary, of course. It would follow, then, that a Belief System created by Man (for men) and all that follows is based, perhaps regretfully, on a false (that is, a logically-unsupportable) premise. It is just that: a Myth (as would, then, be the "Resurrection", the "Assumption", "Miracles" [of the "Fatima", "Lourdes" sort]and the Christian Religion as currently manifested. None of this, Dear Readers, is to say that Christianity has not served incredible purposes -- as well as perpetrated incredible Crimes against Humanity. It is only, in solely MY way of seeing the supposed conundrum, no more a useful exercise than Monks of the Middle Ages arguing on the number of Angels that could dance on the Head of a Pin ... Respectfully submitted, "Da Moonbear"


Name:
Chuck Molin
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chuck@cjgintl.com
Date:
25 Sep 2005
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Correction: the sentence reading "was impregnated by an Angel" was intended to read, "was NOT impregnated by an Angel". Please make this necessary addendum to reading. Thank you, DaMoonbear


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natalie
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08 Jan 2006
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15:44:24
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Just a thought: so many argue about the horrible things that have been done in the name of "Christianity." But the problem is that so many are following the religion. They are following "Christianity", and they think that makes them a Christian. And perhaps even more important, (and damaging for those of us who are Christ-followers,) the WORLD thinks they are Christians. But following the phenomenon that is called Christianity does not make a person a Christian. Following CHRIST makes a person a Christian! I'll drop my book-du-jour as so many others have. It's called "The End of Religion : An Introduction to the Subversive Spirituality of Jesus." by Bruxy Cavey Here is an exerpt : "The strange paradox... of gathering together Sunday mornings regularly to learn the message that gathering together Sunday mornings regularly is not what gets us to heaven. We read the Bible to learn the message that reading the Bible is not what makes us a Christian. We pray prayers to a God who teaches us that just saying prayers is not the thing that makes us true Christ-followers."


Name:
Erin Wiley
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erinwiley@buckeye-express.com
Date:
18 Jan 2006
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06:54:31
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This was HILARIOUS! What a riot! Who comes UP with this stuff?!?!!?!?!?!


Name:
The Truth Hurts
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dontdiewithoutjesus@heaven.com
Date:
05 Jun 2006
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I would have to agree with most of this story, some replies do not support you, but you post a very realistic scenario of what happened. This doesnt mean "Faith" should be abandoned, otherwise we could end up like a middle age period of time, everyone running around like mini gods. But to add to the story, i have a hunch that the Men of those Times, in fear of losing their virgin brides to religous finatics, conjurred up the so called "Laws of God" Ten Commandments..which 8 of them have to do with cause and effect should you have sex with another mans woman. but lets go back before jesus..Talk about Moses and his rule: Cursing is nothing new, we do it now in anger..so why not curse the men who raped your wife, daughters, sisters etc. Especially being a weaker people (Jews) in those times. so if you could put a spell on your enemies and cast a godly punsishment, wouldnt that scare off most would be attackers..say like a life-time imprisonment today for Rape. Well Jesus Was a MAN, a good man, i dont think he had any bad intentions for doing Yoga! but rather he may have passed out, and the Roman Guard (most likely a male pig, disgusted with his outpost duties, just claimed him dead, not knowing a thing about low pulse from loss of blood). Take the rumor of Jesus's Children, well wouldnt you go into hiding at that time to protect your children..especially since you just insulted every Jew in the area, every Roman, and possibly ever other Pagan. Its possible that he was the Son of a Well to do male, but like today, most well to do men, shun their responsibilites of fatherhood and run off to the Next Female...or maybe the Virgin Mary was a victim of the times, and she couldnt bear to tell anyone, not even the Gullible Joseph, for she would have been crucified or perhaps stoned for being tarnished. Given this, Christian, muslim, jewish, et all Finatics today would never give up their belief, but we should see this religous periods dimish over the next 5 generations due to the Internet and the shrinking of seperate communities. God is what ever makes you happy, not knowing what happens when you die, leaves very little to live for should you feel lost with the short time you have to enjoy it. Imagine every creature and Animal striving for Heavenly access. and so the story continues. Keep Your Mind open, if you cast evil on this subject, you may be a finatic, and God loves finatics, so long as you give up 10% of your earnings to pay the bills. Ciao.


Name:
Ron Brown
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mosaihak@yahoo.com
Date:
28 Mar 2007
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Man o Man!... one question from you and then answer to the where did Christ come from.. what have you been reading that confuse you!? ok now answers... in the bible it does state that Christ came with virgin woman for more on this prophecy read Isaiah chap.53, In the beginning God created Man from the dust and woman from the rib of that man, his name Adam and her name was Eve. Now to answer all the other questions, did it not state that jesus and a disciple walked on water? did it not say that he made water into wine?... and to hammer the last nail in... did he not raise his dead cousin from the dead and did he not raise himself back up in way of the HOly Spirit? Adam was the first man perfect in every way and form, but after his fall there was no more perfection for man, until the next adam came which was Jesus the Christ, being born perfect and living a perfect life he was the only one suitible for sacrifice ( which was his intentions from the throne in heaven ) to redeem us and bring us back from the curse we lived since the time of the fall of man, he did this so that he could have a relationship with us... secondly so we could potentially be the adam's and the eve's of this world once more and then #2 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever shall believe in him shall have everlasting life... God doesnt desire to kill us nor does he care to see us harmed. I guess im writing this because you already have condemned my Lord and Father of being what they say they are not.. he that has not the Son have not the Father also.. these are not mere questions but they are accusations. (tell me this..why did jesus speak in parables and mystery?) &( why did he say that the world hate God and God will have nothing to do with the world?) ( world meaning the people and the factions and the systems that make up the ideas and fractured thinking of society as a whole for thier own self righteous, selfish, self relying ways.. in other words, peopl that walk in thier flesh and not able to hear what God is saying becasue thier minute and inferior way of thinking...*no offense*


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Ron Brown
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mosaihak@yahoo.com
Date:
28 Mar 2007
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Sorry you guys i was a little frustrated and excited when wrote my previous lines i skipped some words in there, i hope you can fill in the blanks :)